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Zurich, 12. 7. 2002

Dass das "Bag" No. B-8849 kein interline "Bag" von MaltaAir--KM-180 war, sondern von PanAm-643 aus Berlin-Tegel, ist in den voran-gegangenen MEBO-Publikationen, beweisbar dargestellt worden.

Welche Möglichkeit gab es, ein "Bomb-Bag" auf PA-103A einzuschleusen? Which operation be possible to infiltrate a "Bomb-bag" on PA-103A?
In den Gerichts-Akten von Kamp van Zeist, findet man die Antwort.
Auszug: Witness number 817, Mr. Roland O'Neil, sworn,--

--Q Did you used to work for PanAm at Frankfurt Airport?--A-Yes.--Q-And were you working there for PanAm in 1988?--A-Yes.-- Q-What post did you hold in 1988?-- A- I was in charge of loading goods.--Q- And was the name given to that job the "loadmaster"?-- A- Yes.--Q- As the loadmaster, did you have to supervise the correct loading of baggage and other items of cargo onto outgoing aircraft?-- A- Yes.-- Q- Were you working on the 21st of December of 1988?-- A-Yes, I was.--Q- And were you in fact the loadmaster for the PanAm 103 Frankfurt-to-London flight?--A-Yes, I was.------------

--Q-All right. You were asked, Mr. O'Neil, about the computerised baggage system at Frankfurt Airport. Apart from the computerised baggage system, were there other methods of baggage reaching aeroplanes? For example, there was on-line baggage, is that correct?--A-Yes.--Q- And did that involve, in the case of PanAm, direct transfer from an incoming PanAm flight to the outcoing PanAm flight?--A- Yes. If there wasn't enough time, it was transferred direct. If the passenger arrived, at I don't know, 10.00, and the flight was then at 5.00 in the afternoon, then it went through the system.---------

Auszug:
--Q- Can I ask you about another thing, please. Are you familiar with telexes called passenger transfer messages in the course of your duties?-------------

--Q- Well, do you see at the top of the page there are two areas that have been highlighted, one of which, the top one ends with the letters "FRA". Do you see that highlighted portion?--A-Yes.-- Q- And immediately above that are the letters "PTM". It that "Passenger Transfer Message"?---A- I dont'know.--Q- Above "PTM" there is a date 21st December, correct?--A-Yes.
--Q- Perhaps you could help us with this. In the first line that is highlighted in yellow, is that a reference to a PanAm flight coming into Frankfurt, number 643, on the 21st?--A-Yes, probably. Yes. It could perhaps be from Berlin as well. I don't recall the flight number--Q- Very well. And the portion highlighted in green further down, a few lines further down, does that tell us that certain baggage from that flight is due to go to PanAm-103?--A- I can't tell you now what it means.--Q- But it has B1-- A- I don't know.-- Q-- It has B1 at the end, is that correct?--A-Yes.--Q- Does that mean one?-- A-Yes.-- Q- due to go to PanAm 103?-- A- I can't really say I don't know.

-- Q-Well, could you look, please at the next image, 212, please. And if you look at the bottom off that, there is another highlighted area. Do you see that? Another PTM of the 21st of December. Do you see that?--A-Yes.-- Q- And again there is a reference, first of all, to PA, and this time 647, which may be an incoming flight to Frankfurt, correct?-- A-Yes.

-- Q-And again another reference to PA 103, but this time the figure against B is 21. Do you see that?-- A- Yes, I mean, I can imagine that it might be the message from Berlin saying that the 647 had 18 suitcases for 103 to London. That's how I would interpret it now.-- Q- Very well. Could the B21 actually be the reference to baggage?-- A- Yes, I imagine that 18 is the figure for passengers, 21 is the figure for suitcases, but I'm not certain.-- Q- Could we look at the next image, please, 216. Again in the middle we see a highlighted portion of the telex . Do you see that? And this time--A- Yes.-- Q--it refers to flight 649, and following in the next entry, highlighted in green again, a reference to 103 and B4, which may mean four bags from that flight, correct?-- A-Yes.-- Q- And these bags would be what's termed on-line baggage being transferred from one PanAm flight to another, it that correct?-- A-Yes.--Q-Thank you very much.

--Q- Mr. O'Neil, if bags brought to Frankfurt onboard one PanAm flight were due to be transferred to another, sometimes they would be transferred across the tarmac?-- A-Yes.-- Q- That would mean that they never entered the FAG baggage control system?
--A- No. As has been said, if the flight were there earlier, three-quarters of an hour earlier, then it would be entered into the system. But if the flight arrived later, then the baggage was taken directly to the other plane.--Q- Well, that's what I wanted to be clear about, because I think there may have been a bit of confusion about that earlier. If there was time to use the FAG system, were PanAm bags inserted into it?-- A-Yes.---------------
-Dieses Gerichts-Protokoll eröffnet, dass total 26 on-line "Baggage" von drei angekommenen PanAm-flights aus Berlin-Tegel, auf PanAm-103A umgeladen wurden! Dieser Baggage-Transfer lief beweisbar, nicht über das computerisierte FAG-Verteil-System in Frankfurt ab, sondern wurde direkt von Airplane zu Airplane transferiert! (Flight PA-643, 1Bag-----Flight PA-647, 21 Bag's,----- Flight PA-649, 4 Bag's,----- Total: 26 Bag's)

-Dieses Baggage erschien nicht auf dem FAG-KIK-Computer-Print=(Ladeliste), von PA-103A! (Falsche Gerichtsannahme, das Bag von PA-643 war auf dem Print erfasst worden.)

-Dieser Gerichts-Protokoll-Auszug zeigt auch, dass das "PTM"-Telex von PanAm 637/639/107 am Gericht, als wichtigster Entlastungs-Beweis, vom Defense-Team Duff&Taylor, sowie der Anklage, nicht zur Sprache kam, oder absichtlich unterschlagen wurde!

-Das PTM-Telex vom 21.12.1988, für PA-637/639/107, zeigt: Dass 11-Stück inklusive die 2 bags unbegleiteten Samsonite-Case "rebooked" von PA-637/PA-107 auf PA-103A. Dieses on-line Baggage wurde vom Codierer als in-terline Baggage einprogrammiert und in das FAG Verteilersystem einklariert. Dieses Baggage wurde erfasst und auf dem KIK-Computer-Print,=(Ladeliste), ausgedruckt. Dank diesen Daten konnte das gesammte Baggage, den Besitzern zugeordnet werden.
Es ist unmöglich, dass das "Bag", No. B-8849 von MaltaAir-KM-180 auf PA-103A transferiert wurde! Das (Bag, mit der Tray-No.B-8849) muss PA-643 zugeordnet werden, da keine andere Tray-Nummer übrig blieb!

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Zürich, den 29.7.2002

Ing. Lumpert arbeitete von 1978 bis 1994 bei Fa. MEBO LTD. Er war für die Entwicklung/Konstruktion verschiedener elektronischer Geräte, hauptsächlich im Communications-Bereich verantwortlich. Mit seiner Arbeit waren wir sehr zufrieden und das Arbeitsverhältnis zwischen ihm ---,Meister/Bollier, war sehr gut.
Etwa Mitte 1988 stellten wir in seinem Verhalten eine psychische Veränderung fest, auf welche hier, aus Persönlichkeitsschutz, nicht näher eingegangen wird. Gewisse Vorfälle unterstützen die Vermutung, dass er zu dieser Zeit von einem Intelligence-Service kontaktiert wurde?
Nach dem "Lockerbie-Air-Disaster", ist Ing. Lumpert scheinbar am 22. Juni 1989 von, (Swiss Federal-Police), P. Flückiger, Witness No. 567, bei der Fa. MEBO LTD besucht worden? Aus dem Gerichtsprotokoll, (Kamp van Zeist), geht hervor, dass P. Flückiger, jemand von der Fa. MEBO LTD bereits am 22. Juni 1989, besucht hatte, jedoch nicht, wie er beim Gericht aussagte, Meister oder Bollier!

Zur Erinnerung:
Ing. U.Lumpert, Witness No. 550, sworn, hatte am Gericht, Kamp van Zeist, im Jahre 2000, falsche Aussagen gemacht, welche zu un-gunsten Libyens und des Angeklagen Mr. Abdelbaset Al Megrahi vom Staatsanwalt in die Anklage einbezogen wurden! Lumpert hatte zu spät, erst nach der Verurteilung von Mr.Megrahi zu einer lebenslänglichen Gefängnisstrafe, mit einem "Affidavit" wichtige Falsch-Aussagen, zugegeben, und diese korrigiert!
Siehe Affidavit: Ing. Lumpert

Beim Studium der Gerichts-Protokolle, wurden weitere Falsch-Aussagen von Ing.Lumpert aufgedeckt! Heute muss man davon ausgehen, dass die gesamten Falsch-Aussagen "System" hatten und von ihm, bewusst gemacht wurden, damit die Schnittstellen mit dem vorgegebenen Ablauf des Verbrechens gezielt überein stimmten! Ing.Lumpert wurde vermutlich durch vorherige Absprache gezwungen, die Aussagen am Gericht so zu ändern, dass es in das Konzept der Anklage und des Defense-Team Duff&Taylor, passte!?

Ing. Lumpert hatte im Jahre 1990-91 anlässlich der schweizerischen Rechtshilfe für USA und Scotland zu Protokoll gegeben, dass er die ersten 3-Stück PC-Board für die MST-13-Timer von Hand gefertigt hat. (Diese PC-Board's waren keine maschinell gefertigten Thüring PC-Board's)!

Aus den handgefertigten PC-Board's erstellte Ing.Lumpert 2-Stück funktionstüchtige MST-13 Timer-Prototypen, welche E. Bollier anlässlich eines Business-Besuches vor August 1985 einem Repräsentanten, (Wenzel), des, (Institut für technische Untersuchung, ITU), in Bernau, ex-DDR, übergeben hat. Nach der Auflösung der DDR, Ende 1989, wurde bekannt, dass das Institut, (ITU), dem dazumaligen Staats-Sicherheitsdienst, (STASI), gehörte.

Einige wichtige Aussagen von Ing.Lumpert am Gericht von Kamp-Zeist, sind falsch und wiedersprechen den mehrfach polizeilich protokollierten Aussagen, welche er in den Jahren zwischen 1990-1993 bei den schweizerischen- und deutschen Untersuchungsbehörden gemacht hatte!

Auszug aus dem Gerichts-Protokoll, Kamp van Zeist:

THE MARCER: No. 550, My Lords, Witness Ulrich Lumpert, sworn---LORD SUTHERLAND : Advocate Depute---EXAMINATION IN CHIEF BY MR. TURNBULL:---

Auszüge:--------Q--Who was mostly concerned with construction of products prepared by MEBO?---A-Well, I was responsible for construction.----------- Q-- Did there come a time when MEBO prepared a timer known as the MST-13?---A-Yes, that is correct.Yes--- Q--Who designed that timer?---A-I designed the timer.--- Q--Who asked you to design it?---A- Mr. Bollier. He spoke to me and said that he needed such a timer, a timer that would correspond closely to the one that he was showing me.---Q-Where did he get the one that he was showing you?---A-That, I don't know. It was just a sample, a specimen, and I'd never seen that timer before. It was the first time that I saw it, when he showed it to me.---Q- Can you describe the timer that he showed you as a sample to us, please?---A-Well, as far as the dimensions are concerned, it corresponded more or less to the MST-13. It had two digital switches on the right, one top on top of the other. And this is what I can still remember of that timer.---Q-What was the function of these two digital switches?---A-I cannot tell you any more. I presume that these switches were used to set minutes and hours.---Q- Was the time displayed on this timer in some fashion?---A- No. Just like with the MST-13, the digital switches were used to set the time.--- Q-On the MST-13, the digital switches were used to set the time.--- Q- On the MST-13, did you use rotary switches or wheel switches?--- A- Yes, I used rotary switches on which the actual figures were displayed--- Q-But on the sample that you were shown, were the settings display electronically?---A- No. No. They were exactly the same.----------

1.Teil-Kommentar von Edwin Bollier,MEBO LTD:

Die Beschreibung von Ing.Lumpert über den Muster-Timer ist falsch! Der Timer besass keine "rotary switches", sondern 4-5-Tasten für die Zeit-Programmierung und eine elektronische Display-Anzeige;-Masse 80x80 mm, Farbe schwarz.
Maximale Timer-Zeit, 1 Minute bis 7 Tage. Ing. Lumpert hatte den Auftrag einen ähnlichen Timer zu konstruieren, jedoch mit stabilen mechanischen "rotary-switches" für militärische Anwendungen. Timer-Zeit wahlweise von 1 bis 9999 Minuten, oder 1 bis 9999 Stunden.

Auszug aus dem Gerichtsprotokoll, Kamp van Zeist:

------------Q- I see. When you were shown this sample and asked to design a timer, were you told at that time if Mr. Bollier had a particular customer in mind?--- A- No. I was never told anything about of our customers.---Q-So did you know, at that time when he showed you the sample, why he wanted these timers?---A- No, not really.--- What did you then do in order to design a timer?--- A- Well, first Mr. Bollier needed to disclose the specifications which are necessary for me to design it, and then I drew the schematic. And then I made a type of prototype for the oscillator and used a lab circuit board for that. These are sample circuit boards that you can buy, and you can actually design things-- they can be disassembled later on and used for other tests. And when everything was working well, I actually glued the pattern in order to produce the printed circuit board. With this in hand, I went to a reproduction company called Busag. They produced the films in order to etch a lab specimen.----Q- All right. Will you pause there. Mr. Lumpert, and look at that, please. The first thing to do is to drow a schematic; is that correct? Is that a diagram?---A-Yes.---Q-Will you look for me at Production 309, please. Image 1, please. Do you recognise this document?---A-Yes, I recognise this document.---Q-And what it?--- A, This is the MST-13-timer. That's the schematic that I drew.--- Q-All right, Do you know when you drew it?---A- That might have been 1984 or 1985. I'm not able to tell you exactly any more.---Q- All right. Do you see on the diagram the words "MEBO Limited"?--- A-Yes.---Q- And do you see next to those words there appears a date?--- A- Yes, I can see that.---Q- What does that date signify?--- A- Well, this is the 7th of August 1985.---Q- Well, I can see that that's the date it bears to be, but why is it there?--- A I don't know, I didn't really put the date there.---Q- All right. Now, having prepared the diagram, did you say that you then made a type of prototype?---A-Yes. That is correct. This it what I did.---Q- And you used a lab circuit board for that exercise?---A- Yes. But that was only for the part that contains the oscillator, only where it says one second, because this is the sensitive part, the sensitive component.---Q- And once you were satisfied with that part of the prototype. You glued the pattern in order to produce the printed circuit board; is that correct?---A-Yes. Yes.---Q- And you took that layout or pattern to a company called Busag; is that so?---A- Yes.---Q--- Where is that company based?---A- They are in Zurich.---Q- Do you know a company called Thuring?---A- Yes. I know of a company Thuring.---Q- Is Busag a different company?--- A- Busag is a different company. Busag works to develop cliches, and they have a specific type of camera that allows them to produce a film of this printed circuit board and then to reduce it in scale.---Q- What did you plan to do with the circuit board you obtained from Busag?--- A- Well, i wanted to try out wheter the timer was working. Something can always go wrong when you glue things together. So before you go into serial production, you actually need to try things out.--- Q- So was this an exercise in making a prototype?--- A- Yes, that was indeed an exercise in making a prototype.---Q- How many boards did you obtain-- how many printed circuit boards did you obtain from Busag?---A- Busag did not deliver printed circuit boards. They only delivered the film. The circuit board is the one that I etched myself, and I then constructed the timer on top of the circuit board. Unfortumately, there were still some mistakes in the tracks, and I needed to correct for those; and with the soldering of the elements, this printed circuit board unfortuately broke. ---Q- All right. So from Busag you obtained a film?--- A- Yes, only a film.---Q- And where did you get the printed circuit board that you etched yourself?---A- Well, this is leftover material that you always have. And yet you can always purchase remnants, so to speak, and you keep them in stock in your laboratory.---Q-Was the purpose of etching the printed circuit board in order to attempt to prepare a working prototype?--- A- Yes, that was the purpose.---Q- And did you succeed in preparing a working prototype?---A- No. I was not able to complete the prototype, because there were too many mistakes. I corrected only the most important mistakes in order to check wheter is was functioning. Then I changed the layout after I discovered the mistakes. ---Q- All right. How many printed circuit boards did you etch, yourself, in the way you've just described?---A- Just one.---Q- What colour was that printed circuit board?---A- Well, more or less brown or green. It was not like epoxy material; it was more like very, very rigid paper.---Q- Did it have solder mask on either side?---A- No. Whit this circuit board, not at all. It was thrown away afterwards simply because it was broken.---Q- All right. So having attepted this exercise, do I understand you to say that you then changed your layout or pattern? ---A- Yes, the layout that is used to make the film. And I changed that layout.---Q- Having changed the layout, what did you do with the layout?---A- I went to the Thuring company.---Q- All right. And what happened to the timer that you had attempted to create with the board you had etched yourself?---A- It was thrown away. You couldn't use it any more. It would have been much too cumbersome and expensive to then produce a fully funktioning specimen from that.---Q- Would you look for me at another item, please, Mr. Lumpert, Production 366.---A- Yes.---Q- Image,1 please. Do you recognise this item, Mr. Lumpert?---A- Yes. This is a glued layout for the printed circuit board.---Q- Is this, then, the sort of item that you prepared in order to send to Thuring?---A-Yes. But I can see that here, two layouts are superimposed.-----------

2.-Teil-Kommentar von Edwin Bollier, MEBO LTD:

Die Anklage und Ing. Lumpert wollten mit dem (Diagram-Datum, 7th of August 1985), beweisen, dass es nicht möglich war, vor diesem Datum handgefertigte MST-13-Timer PC-Boards zu produzieren. Am Gericht wurde dann eine grosse, fragliche, aber gezielte Verwirrung inszeniert! Mit der Firma Busag, welche den ersten Film, für die 3-Stück, von Lumpert handgefertigten MST-13-PC-Board's, herstellte;- dem Diagram-Datum 7. August 1985;- der Fa. Thuring, welche nach dem abgeänderten zweiten "Layout", am 13.August 1985, die Order für 20 Stück MST-13 PC-Boards, mit einseitigem "solder mask" bekam, wurde ein "Mix" fabriziert, welcher nur durch Fachleute mit hintergrund Informationen, entschlüsselt werden kann!

- Das Datum, 7. August 1985, auf dem Diagram wurde von Ing. Lumpert eingetragen! Dieses Diagram wurde an diesem Datum revidiert! Das Diagram wurde bereits Ende Juni 1985 von Ing. Lumpert erstellt! (Production 309 Image 1)

- Ing. Lumpert hatte den Auftrag von E. Bollier, den MST-13 Timer zu konstruieren, bereits im Monat Juni 1985 bekommen!

- Der erste Produktions-Film für die MST-13 PC-Board's, wurde bei der Fa. Busag, laut Rechnung, am 4. Juli 1985 an Ing. Lumpert ausgeliefert!

- Das erste MST-13Timer- "Layout" von Ing. Lumpert ist von ihm persönlich am 2.Juli 1985 zu Fa.Busag gebracht worden! Dieses "Layout" diente als Vorlage für den Produktions-Film, welcher für die handgefertigten 3-Stück MST-13- PC-Board, (Prototypen), gebraucht wurden.

-Das "zweite" MST-13Timer "Layout" welches am 13. August der Fa. Thuring übergeben wurde, war in Wirklichkeit, das leicht abgeänderte erste "Layout". (Production 366);- die beiden "Layout's", welche am Gericht gezeigt wurden waren zwei gleiche Abbildungen, vermutlich das Orginal+eine Photokopie. Wollte man damit demonstrieren, dass es nur eine "Layout" -Version gegeben hat , die, welche an Fa. Thuring abgegeben wurde?!

-Die Fa. Thüring hat von dem abgeänderten ersten "Layout" in eigener Regie, den zweiten Produktions-Film, (nicht von Fa. Busag), hergestellt. Mit dem zweiten Produktions-Film wurden bei Thüring die maschinell gefertigten MST-13 PC-Board's produziert. 20-Stück mit einseitigem "solder stop mask". (Produktion 319, image 1)

- Ing. Lumpert machte mit der Erklärung: "Dass er nur 1-Stück, handgefertigten Prototype, MST-13Timer-PC-Board herstellte, welcher dann zerbrach und von ihm weggeworfen wurde";- eine gezielte Falsch-Aussage ! Wieso???

- Wie aus dem abgegebenen "AFFIDAVIT" von Ing.Lumpert hervorgeht, hat er, (bereits im Juli 1985), 3-Stück handgefertigte MST-13-PC-Board hergestellt;- 1-Stück PC-Board sei zerbrochen, das hätte er weggeworfen??;- aus den restlichen 2-Stück PC-Board, hätte er die beiden MST-13Timer gebaut, welche an den Staatssicherheitsdienst, "STASI" ex DDR geliefert wurden. (siehe "Affidavit")

Folgend: Text von AFFIDAVIT von Ing Lumpert, vom May 3 2001

Ulrich Lumpert, (Witness no. 550) ORIGINAL (censored) Binz, May 3, 2001

"AFFIDAVID", ( written statement) Part 1

I, Ulrich Lumpert, witness no. 550 in the legal case against Mr. Abdelbasset Ali Mohamed Al-Megrahi and Mr. Al Amin Khalifa Fhima, in the Lockerbie case, testifies the following rebuttal:

1) The questions asked by the court have confused me, thus I testified the following "false statements".

2) My rebuttal is based on my former statements, made to the Federal Police (BUPO) Legal Aid Switzerland 1990-1991 and to the Federal Criminal Office (BKA) in Konstanz, 1993 in Germany.

3) During spring or during begin of summer (so far it has been impossible to get the exact date), the co-owner of the company MEBO AG, Edwin Bollier, gave me task to develop a timer device, later labelled type MST-13. Edwin Bollier added the specifications.

4) At this point of time, I did not knew for what and for whom this development was prepared for.

5) After I had drawn the blueprint, as well as built up the laboratory test device, I prepared a "blueprint-draft" for a future manufacturing PC-board production-film.

6) This first PC-board-film was fabricated by the Firm BUSAG in Zurich.

7) With this first PC-board-film, prepared by BUSAG, I handmade the first 3 pieces of prototypes MST-13 PC-boards. These 3 PC-boards were corrodet in an acid-solution in the laboratory of MEBO AG. In this way the copper tracks did not come out perfect, compared to the later machine manufactured pieces from the firm Thuring. The copper tracks were soldered by me with a soldering iron using tin solder. Also, the soldering of the lead tracks were far from perfect and were irregular, compared to the later machine manufactured PC-borads from the firm Thuring. These PC-boards contained no soldering sealing wax and the color was light brown.

(signed: U.Lumpert)

"Affidavid" part 2

8) Because the first handmade items of the MST-13 timer had to be built into to the sandproof "ROSE"- cover housings, as requested by Bollier, I had to saw out the four corners of the first PC-boards with a fret-saw. (And here too, there is a big difference between the sawed out parts compared to the Thuring-boards. The four corners of the Thuring-boards were all milled out perfectly smooth).

9) During the start of summer 1985, and not - as I have testified earlier - at the end of summer 1985, I gave Edwin Bollier the first of the handmade prototype MST-13 timers. He (Bollier) found out that the timer from time to time crashed out during setting. Bollier handed the timer back to be, probably on a Friday, in order to repair it and he asked me, whether it would be possible to repair the timer immediately, as he wanted to bring the timer with him into the GDR for showing off.

10) I explained to Bollier that I would come to the business premises on the otherwise free Saturday and repair the timer.

11) Saturday, in the firm MEBO, I prepared a second functining MST-13 timer device with the aid of second handmade MST-13 timer board. As I had plenty of time, I also repaired the first, broken MST-13 timer. Thus Bollier had access to two fully functioning, handmade prototype MST-13 timers on Saturday evening, that he could bring with him into the GDR.

12) I did not manufacture any functioning timer from the third handmade MST-13 PC-board. The soldering tracks on this board had detached themselves, and thus I threw the third MST-13 PC-board away.

13) When I had corrected the erroneous blueprint, a second production-film was prepared, used to order 20 pieces of MST-13 PC-borads from the firm Thuring on August 13, 1985, all without any soldering sealing wax. These PC-boards were manufactured by machine, containing green coating on the front, due to the green enamel. All ordered PC-boards from Thuring were 0.4 mm larger than the first 3 handmade MST-13 prototype PC-boards.

(signed: U.Lumpert)

"Affidavid" Part 3

14) I hereby declare, that the following important testimonies, made by me in court at Camp Zeist, are wrong:

- the first 2 pieces of MST-13 timers, which Bollier had brought with him into the GDR in 1985, were not equipped with machine manufactured Thuring MST-13 PC boards, and not equipped with soldering wax, rather than handmade by me, (lightbrown) prototypes MST-13 PC-boards.

- the deliverance (of the MST-13 timers) to the GDR did not happen at the end of 1985, rather than in July/early August 1985, since the handmade PC-boards were manufactured before the order of the Thuring-manufactured PC boards. The first order of the machine manufactured PC-boards to Thuring is dated August 13, 1985 ! Therefore, I have stated the date of deliverance (end of 1985) of the first two prototype MST-13 timers to the GDR, as wrongfully.

- I have not, as I have testified wrongfully, thrown away the first defectice handmade prototype MST-13 timer, but I repaired it. I have, however, thrown away the third handmade, light brown prototype MST-13 PC board. This MST-13 PC-board was not equipped with electronic parts and thus not functioning.

These important testimonies replace the wrong statments, made by me in Camp Zeist.These statements are the full truth and agree with my former statements, made to the police 1990-1993, (BUPO and BKA).

Binz, May 3, 2001 - Ulrich Lumpert
(signed)

(additionally document)

Deposition of Proof

This copy is in accordance with the original document (containing 3 loose pages).

Zurich, May 4, 2001
B. no. 1057
Fee: 30 Swiss Francs

Notary Altstetten-Zurich
(signed)
Walter Wieland, Public Notary Secretary
(stamped)

Weitere Auszüge aus dem Gerichts-Protokoll von Kamp van Zeist:

------Mr. Turnbull: Q- You see, Mr. Lumpert, according to what you told us, you did know where some of these timers had gone; isn't that so?---A-Yes.---Q- Some had gone to Libya; isn't that so?---A-Yes. But I only heard about that shortly before this interview.---Q-All the more reason, perhaps, to mention it to the interviewers, don't you think?---A- Yes. But I think I did point to that, that only heard later that some went to Libya.---Q- And you also, of course, thought that some of the timers had gone to East Germany, didn't you?---A-But at that time, I did not know that. I didn' remember that.---Q- All right. Well, is it clear, then, Mr.Lumpert, that the first time you were interviewed you didn't tell the interviewers where any of these timers had gone?---A-Yes.---Q-All right. The next time you were interviewed, Mr. Lumpert, was the 23rd May of 1991. Do you remember being interviewed again?---A-No.---Q-Well, it was in Zurich at the federal prosecutor's office, and there were officers from Scotland and from America present, along with Mr. Flückiger, who conducted the interview. Does that help you to remember?---A- Yes.---Q- Now, this was about six months, perhaps, after your first interview. Did you tell the interviewers in the second interview where timers had been delivered?---A- I dont remember.---Q-Well, let's perhaps focus the matter. Did you tell the interviewers that timers had been supplied to East Germany?---A- Yes. That was later.---Q- In this second interview, 23rd May of 1991, did you tell the interviewers that timers had been supplied to East Germany?---A- That may be so. I don't remember exactly it was the second or the third interview.---Q- Well, it might be, Mr. Lumpert, that you would be prepared to accept from me that you didn't tell the interviewers during the second interview that timers had been supplied to East Germany. Would you be preared to accept that from me?---A- Yes. It may be so. I really don't remember that it was the second interview. I don't remember what I said at the second interview.---Q- Why do you suppose you didn't tell the interviewers during the second interview that timers were supplied to East Germany?---A- Because I did not yet know that, as I've said before.---Q-You mean that you had not yet remembered?---A- Yes. For instance--- Q- Because you had assumed that the first two, and then the follow-up orders, had gone to East Germany. You told us that earlier.---A- Yes. But I had already forgotten all that. I didn't deal with that any more.---Q-Well, had there not been any discussion in MEBO's offices during the six months between your first interview and your second about these timers?---A-Yes. We did have some.---Q- Did you know that Mr.Bollier had been interviewed another four times in between your first and second interview?---A- No, I didn't know that.---Q- Did you not know, for instance, that he had been to the United States of America to be interviewd?---A- I don't remember wheter it was then. Later on I found out that he had been to America and was interviewd. But at that time, I didn't know it.---Q- And did you not know, before your second interview, that he had also been to Scotland for interviews?---A- No, I didnt know that.---Q- Was this kep as some sort of secret, then?--- A- Oh, no. But I was never informed about where he was going.---Q- All right. Did you know that Mr. Meister had been interviewed another twice in between your first and second interview?---A- No.No.---Q- Had you spocken to Mr.Bollier and Mr. Meister then these timers had been supplied to?---A-Yes. We did have a conversation about that.---Q- And despite that conversation, did you not remember that had been supplied to East Germany?---A-No.No.---Q- Did either Mr. Bollier or Meister say to you conversation, before your second interview, that timers had been supplied to East Germany?---A-No.-----------------------

-------------Auszug: Q- Well, I, think, Mr.Lumpert, you'll find that wasn't until the interview of October 1993, and this is only 1991. I think we'll find wasn't until October 1993 that you made any mention of supplying to the Stasi. ---A-Yes.---Q- So what I am interested in knowing is this; In July of 1991, you said that you had no idea to whom Bollier was selling those timers. Why did you not say that you thought they were going to East Germany?---A- Because I couldn't remember it at that point in time.---Q- So you still had forgotten it by then?---A- We discussed this for long time. We were looking for relevant documents. And this is when the issue of the two timers surfaced.---
--Q-Mr. Lumpert, who was it in MEBO that first remembered timers had been delivered to East Berlin?---A-Yes.---Q-Somebody remembered that, did they?---A-Yes.---Q- Who was it that remembered it first?---A- That was myself.---Q-I see. What made you remember that timers had been delivered to East Berlin? A- Well, I can remember that apparently after the second interview Mr. Bollier an I were desperately looking for timers and documents relating to them, and we couldn't find anything. As I said before, I would always discuss these things with my wife. And she said at the time to me, well, the G.D.R--that Mr. Bollier had travelled to the G.D.R. regularly, and wheter I didn't think that there might be a connection. And that is when I remembered the G.D.R. I remembered it all of a sudden. And the next day, I went to see Mr. Bollier. And I told him, "Don't you think that there were timers that had also gone to the G.D.R.?" And this is how he G.D.R. came up.- He then looked for documents, and apparently he found some.---Q- Are you explaining, Mr. Lumpert, that when your wife said to you that Bollier travelled to the G.D.R. regularly, you remembered back to making the first two timers? Is that what you are saying?---A-Yes, This is what I wanted to say. And then everything that related to my working Saterday and Sunday came back to me, slowly.---Q- And did you tell Mr. Bollier then what you had remembered?---A-Yes, I told him.---Q-All right.---A- Thevery next day.---Q-And what did you do after telling Mr.Bollier what you had remembered?---A-Well, I didn't do much of anything any more. He was then looking for documents and apparently found some.---Q- Can I ask you to look at a document with me, please, which is Production 1570. And if it was possible to do so, could we look at image 19, and at the same time, another document. Can we also have on the screen Produktion 1571, image 38. Could we magnify the document on the right for the moment, please. Now, do you recognise that, Mr. Lumpert?---A- Yes.---Q- Is it a letter with your signature on it?---A-Yes.---Q- Are you sure?---A-Yes. It's my signature.---Q- All right. And do you recognise the letter? Do you remember it?---A- No, I don't remember it.---Q- you don't?---A-No.---Q-Well, it's dated, it would seem, the 4th of October 1993. Do you see that?---A-Yes. Yes, I can see that.---Q- And do you remember Mr. Meister typing this up and showing it to you?---A- That might be. I don't remember that he typed it. That might well be. Since I signed it, so it must be that way, but I cannot remember that document.---Q-Well, do you see what it's about, Mr.Lumpert?---A Yes. There are the two MST-13 timers involved here.---Q- Does it begin witht the heading "Confirmation"? ---A-Yes.---Q- And does it go on to give some information about you producing MST-13 timers?---A-Yes.---Q- What does it say in the second paragraph, Mr.Lumpert?---A- "I believe I remember it well because there was a technical problem with the first prototypes. And since I had to correct those errors, I did come in on a Saterday--which is normally a free day--into the laboratory in order to correct for the problem. The reason was that Mr. Bollier had to leave for Berlin on the following Sunday, and then it was therefore not possible to push this into the following week."---Q- And could you read the paragraph before that, please.---A-"In the fall of 1985, I received from Mr.Bollier, among other things, and order to produce two MST-13 timers. These were two pieces from the first series; that is to say, circuit boards without solder stop on the underside of the assembly. Mr.Bollier mentioned at the time that he wanted to take the timers with him to Berlin."---Q- Are these the timers that you and I spoke about before lunch?---A-Yes, those are the two timers.---Q- All right. And now that you've read this letter again, do you remember it being prepared and you being shown it and signing it?---A-Yes, I remember it.---Q- And how long before this letter was prepared was it that you remembered about timers going to the--to East Germany?---A- That must have been immediately after the second interview with the public proscutor's office, when Mr.Bollier and I were looking for further timers and for further documents relating to them.---Q-Well, I am just trying to understand, Mr. Lumpert. How long before the date of this letter was it that you remembered about timers going to East Berlin?---A- How long before that letter? That, I cannot tell you. I cannot remember that, just how much time--or how long before that time it was.---Q- Well, maybe I can help you this way, Mr.Lumpert.---A-Yes, please.---Q-Just a few days after this interview, you went to Constance to be interviewed by the public prosecuter from Frankfurt. Do you remember doing that?---A-Yes.---Q-All right.---A- No. No. Not to Frankfurt. I went to-- ---Q- You went to Constance, I think. Is that not so?---A-Yes, that's it, Constance.---Q- Now, that was just a few days after the date of this letter, do you understand?---A-Yes.---Q- But the interview before the date of the letter was July of 1991. Do you understand?---A-Yes.---Q- So that's two years before the date of the letter. Do you understand?---A-Yes.---Q- So what I am trying to ask you to think about is how long before the date of this letter you remembered that timers had been sent to East Germany.---A- Well, I said that it was immediately after the interview with the public prosecutor'office, because we had been asked to look for documents, and this is when we were looking into this. And it was at that time when we remembered the G.D.R. It was probably much earlier than this letter.--- Q- Well, which interview was it immediately after? Was it an interview with you?---A- Yes, an interview with me.---Q-Well, the interview which came before the date of the letter with you was in July of 1991; that's two years before.---A-Yes.Yes.---Q- And are you saying that it was immediately after that interview in July 1991 that you remembered timers had been supplied to East Germany?---A-Yes. Because immediately after this interview, Mr. Bollier came to me, and together we were looking for this. And I then informed Mr. Bollier. And from that moment onwards, I was no longer asked about this problem.---Q- So how did it come to be that two years or so later you were asked to sign this letter?---A- I don't know why. But it could be that Mr. Meister or the company wanted to have a confirmation. I don't know. I don't know why this came about so late.---Q-I see. Well, in any event, you went to the interview in Constance on the 7th of October of 1993. And you remember doing that, don't you?---A-Yes, I remeber that. I don't you?---A-Yes, I remember that. I don't remember the time, but I remember that I went to Constance. That, I know.---Q- And Mr. Bollier and Mr. Meister went too; is that so?---A- I was there with Mr. Bollier only.---And it was during this interview that you mentioned for the first time that timers had been supplied to East Berlin; is that correct?---A-Yes. ---Q-I see. Can I ask you to look me at Production 1576, and to page-- scan 70, image 70, please. Do you see there is an answer to the question at the top of the page there, Mr.Lumpert? Do yo see the top of the page?---A-Yes.---Q-Could you read to me the first two sentences of that answer.---A- "I assembled the first two prototypes in the fall of 1985. Mr. Bollier insisted that they be completed, because he wanted to take the first two to East Berlin.

3.-Zwischen-Kommentar von Edwin Bollier, MEBO LTD:

- Das Dokument, Production 1570, image 19, Production 1571 image 38, wurde am 4.Oktober 1993, nach Angaben von Ing. Lumpert, durch E. Meister erstellt, und von Ing. Lumpert unterschrieben.

-Ing. Lumpert hatte schon zu dieser Zeit eine falsche, Ablieferungszeit, (fall of 1985), der 2-Stück handgefertigten MST-13Timer- Prototypen an die DDR angegeben!

- Die richtige Lieferzeit, der ersten 2-Stück MST-13Timer-Prototypen an die DDR, war vor August 1985. Zu dieser Zeit waren noch keine maschinell gefertigten Thuring MST-13PC-Boards produziert worden, somit ist bewiesen, dass die 3-Stück MST-13 PC-Boards, handgefertigte PC-Boards von Ing.Lumpert waren. 1-Stück PC-Board wurde angeblich weggeworfen, mit den anderen 2-Stück MST-13-PC-Board's erstellte Ing. Lumpert die beiden MST-13 Timer-Prototypen, welche an die DDR geliefert wurden.

Weiterer Gerichts-Protokoll-Auszug, Kamp van Zeist:

--------A-While assembling them, I discovered the problem I already alluded to and that this would need some more time. I even came to work on a Saterday so that the timers could be finished in time for Mr. Bollier".---Q- All right. Why did you say at that interview that Mr. Bollier insisted they be completed as he wanted to take the first two to East Berlin with him?---A-Well, during the interview--during the interview, I probably already knew that it was East Berlin. But at the time when he urged me to complete them. I did not know about East Berlin.---Q-Do you agree with me that you seem to have said there something different?---A-To what extent? Because East Berlin was mentioned?---Q-Yes. Because you said that he insisted they be completed as he wanted to take the first two to East Berlin with him.---A- Yes, that is correct.---Q- You see, you were at pains earlier, were you not, to tell me that you didn't know where they were going when you first manufactured the items?---A- Yes.---Q- And let's look, please, over at page 6, which is at image 72. Do you see on the screen there is an answer which goes down to the bottom of the screen? Mr. Lumpert, are you reading it, or are you just looking to see if you can see what I've asked you to see?---A-No. I'm reading. I'm reading.---Q-Just wait a moment, because it's the question that precedes the answer that I want you to read to us. Read out the question that precedes that answer on the bottom of the screen, please.---A-"At the time of production, did you know for whom you were producing those timers?"---Q- Now, can you read your answer out, please.---A-" As I had assembled two prototypes for Mr. Bollier for him to take to East Berlin, I knew that this was the destination. Otherwise we never discussed at the time for whom we were producing items. Later on I did, of course, find out, because of the investigation on the part of the police and the media, that the timer-- that some of the timers also went to Libya".---Q-Well, is it true, then, that at the time you assembled what you call the prototypes, you knew that these items were going to East Berlin?---A- Well, during the time of assembly, I didn't know it. I only found out afterwards, when he was actually leaving for Berlin, that they were destined for Berlin.-----------

Auszug:--------Q- Can you read the question?---A-" In a letter dated Oktober 4, 1993, prepared by Mr.Meister, you confirm with your signature the order to produce two MST-13 timers from the fist series with no solder stop on the underside of the assembly; is this correct?"---Q- Can I ask you, then, to read your answer to that question, please. ---A-"That is correct. I signed this. And I can also give some additional information relating to that. Already during the summer, around June or July 1993, when Mr. Bollier was looking for it in the MEBO offices, and he asked me at the time wheter there wasn't anything around, circuit boards or components, for the MST-13. I all of sudden remembered that he had taken two timers with him to the G.D.R. Bollier thought, pursuant to my remark, that this might indeed have been the case and began to look for it and to verify it. And he began his own investigations".---Q- Well, did you see, then, in that interview on the 22nd of March of 1994, that it was in June or July of 1993 when you suddenly remembered that Mr. Bollier had taken two timers with him to the G.D.R.---A- Yes, I saw that.---Q- Is that what you said? Is that what you said, Mr. Lumpert?---A-Yes.---Q- And was it true?---A- Yes, that was true.---Q- And does that mean, then, that you first remembered Bollier had taken timers to the East German Republic in June or July of 1993?---A- Yes. That's how it would have been.--- Q- So that's just a little time--a few months, perhaps--before the date of the letter we were looking at earlier?---A-Yes.---Q-Yes. You don't seem to have said anything about your wife helping you to remember this during the course of this interview, Mr.Lumpert. Is that so?---A- Yes, that is so. Because obviously I thought that this was of no interest.---Q- I see. But can we then be clear that this is indeed the date at which you remembered Bollier had taken timers to East German Republic?---A- Yes, I would say so.---Q- Now, the next thing I want to move on to, then is when these deliveries to East Berlin were made by Bollier. Do you understand?---A- Yes, I understand.---Q- And can you help me to know when he took the first two timers to East Berlin?---A- It would have been at the end of 1985.---Q- And why do you say that?---A-Because I made them in 1985.---Q- We looked already at the Thuring documents, didn't we, Mr.Lumpert?---A-Yes.---Q- And do you remember we saw that they had been-- the first order for boards had been collected by you on the 16th of August of 1985?---A-Yes.---Q- And you told us that it was from that order that you made the first two timers that were taken by Bollier to East Berlin?---A- Yes.---Q- So was it possible for him to have takem those timers before the 16th of July--16th of August. I'm sorry.---A- No, that would not have been possible.---Q- How long passed between collecting the boards and making the timers?---A- Well, about three or four days.---
Q- In 1988, in December of 1988, were you asked by Mr. Bollier to make any more MST-13 boards?---A- I don't remember exactly, but it is possible.---Q- Well, Mr. Lumpert, is this not something that has been importance to you?---A-No, not really.---Q- This inquiry, is this not something that has been of some importance to you? ---A- Yes, naturally. The inquiry is important.---Q- And have you not given thought many times over the years ti the question of MST-13 timers?--- A-No, not really. No.---Q- Why not?---A- Because I have so many other things I had to make. I couldn't just concentrate on MST-13 alone.-----------

Auszug:-----------Q-Well, let's come back again to December of 1988, and let me help to jog your memory by reminding you of something. Do you remember that Pan Am 103 was blown up on 21st of December of 1988? Do you remember that?---A-Yes.---Q- Well, maybe that helps to fix your mind, because what I want to ask you about is wheter you were requested by Mr. Bollier to produce MST-13 timers in December of 1988.---A- I really don't remember that. I don't remember whether it was December '88 or '89, I certainly made more MST-13s. But when this was exactly, I do not remember.---Q- Well, were you ever asked by him to make something in the region of 40 MST-13 timers?---A- As I've said before, I no longer remember how many I made altogether and when this was and at what intervals. Of course now I have read and heard that there should have been 40. How many there were, I cannot exactly tell any more.---Q- But what I am asking you to consider is whether Bollier asked you to make 40 or not at the end of November, beginning of December of 1988. What's your evidence on that?---A-All I can tell you is that I no longer remember whether in that period he ordered MST-13s from me or how many. I just cannot tell. Sorry.---Q- Look at Production 1572 with me, please, image 11. Do you see a rather long answer towards the bottom of the screen, Mr. Lumpert? The page has moved a little. If you look in the middle of the screen, do you see a question asked of you about 40 MST-13 timers? Do you see the question?---A- Yes. Yes, I see the question.---Q- Can you read the question, please.---A-"At the end of 1988, did Bollier or Meister ask you to build 40 further MST-13 timers?" "No. I was never asked to do that. On the other hand, Bollier told me during that period that we should have to build 40 further timers. And he also said to me that he would first try to find an alternative, because we had too much work. Later on he never spoke about that to me any more, nor do I know whether he was able to get other timers. He never talked to me about MST-13 timers again. At that time, I didn't build any operational timers in the laboratory."--Q- Now, that question and answer began by you being asked the question that I was asking you just a moment ago, didn't it? ---A-Yes.---Q- And your answer began with the words, "No. I was never asked to do that". Do you see that?---A-Yes.---Q- All right. Was what you said in the course of that interview on 23rd May 1991 true?---A- It should be true, yes. That was the latest question, then.---Q- Well, your answer was that you were not asked to build 40 MST-13 timers at the end of 1988. Do you see that? ---A- Yes.---Q- Was that answer true?---A- Well, it should be true, yes.---Q- Well, no doupt everything that you said to the authorities should be true, Mr. Lumpert, but it's this particular one that I am asking you to think about at the moment. To the best of your recollection now, is what you said there true?---A- Yes, I think my memory then was better than it is now, because more time has gone by.---Q- And you went on to give a little bit more information about what Mr. Bollier had said to you, didn't you?---A-Yes.---Q- And what you told the interviewers was that Bollier explained that he would first try to find an alternative because MEBO had too much work. Was that also true?---A- Yes.---Q- Was there any possibility, or is there any possibility that you might have said it wasn't possible to build 40 timers because you couldn't get parts in time?--- A- That is possible, because there was one component which was rather difficult to find, and that was the quarz, and that would have taken longer to procure.---Q- But if that is what you said to Bollier, then it would be different from what you told the interviewers in May 1991?---A- Well, perhaps that is the reason why he was looking for an alternative, because it was more difficult to procure quartzes, and we also had a lot of work to do.---Q- Yes. Well, can we then return to the first sentence in your answer to the question, "Did Bollier or Meister ask you to build another 40 MST-13 timer at the end of 1988" "No I was never asked to do so."-----A- Yes.---Q-Yes. I have no furter questions. Thank you, My Lords.

4. Kommentar von Edwin Bollier, MEBO LTD:

-Die zentrale Frage lautet: "Wieso hat der Zeuge Ing. Lumpert, beim Gericht in Kamp van Zeist, zu wichtigen Fragen falsch ausgesagt"?

- Die falschen und wirren Aussagen von Zeuge Ing. Lumpert zeigen, dass er unter grossem Stress stand! Eigentlich hätte er keine Veranlassung gehabt, zu lügen!

- Auf der Suche für Ing.Lumpert's Verhalten, kommt eine Möglichkeit in Frage:

-Stammt das in Lockerbie, angeblich aufgefundne Fragment eines MST-13- PC-Board's, vom angeblich weggeworfenen, Prototype PC-Board, von Lumpert ?

-E.Bollier glaubt, dass auf dem ersten Polaroid-Foto, welches vom BUPO-Beamten P. Flückiger gezeigt wurde, ein handgefertigtes PC-Board-Fragment abgebildet war! Bis heute verneint man, dass dieses Photo existiert!

-Ing. Lumpert wurde vermutlich von jemanden erpresst und musste dadurch, solche gezielten Falsch-Aussagen machen?

-Wie bekannt wurde, hatte Ing. Lumpert vor dem Gerichtsfall, zwei mysteriöse Treffen, mit dem Rechts-Anwalt Duff, (Defense-Team), im Fürstentum Liechtenstein.

-Die Anklage, sowie das Defense-Team Duff&Taylor, haben es Unterlassen, Ing. Lumpert über seine drei verdeckten USA-Besuche zu befragen!

-Notabene;-

Ing. Lumpert wurde 1995 von einer US-Firma, bei welcher er bis heute arbeitet, aufgenommen.

Siehe Website: Procurator Ms. Miriam Watson

The British Labour MP Russell Brown say:

He say this after the assurance from British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, that Mr. Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, will serve the whole of his life sentence in Scotland. Mr. Jack Straw has rejected Nelson Mandela's call for Abdelbaset Al Megrahi to see out the remainder of his life sentence in a Muslem country.

BBC-News: LIBYA HINTS AT LOCKERBIE PAY-OUT!

Colonel Gaddafi say to Minister, Mike O'Brien, (UK Foreign Office):

Before;

• The government is "actively considering" holding an independent inquiry into Lockerbie bombing, Foreign Office sources have revealed.
• the Foreign Secretary, was due to announce the Investigation in parliament on 29.Jul 2002 but was forced to abandon the statement, allegedly following concerns from the security services.
• Plans for the inquiry have now been put on hold and no announcement will be made until the Commons returns from its summer recess in October.

" We were hoping to be in a position to say something last week but ran into difficulties," said a Whitehall source.

No indication as to why the announcement was scrapped was given but it is thought the Foreign Office came under pressure from the security services to scale down the remit of the proposed inquiry.

(from THE SCOTSMAN, Jason Beattie)

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